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Published on July 4, 2009 By utemia In Misc

I found this article today. It is totally incomprehensible for me how people can be so stupid, but it is a sad truth. If it was up to me I'd repatriate the lot of them to WhiteRussia, they can live their dream of a communist/socialist dictatorship of the soviet variety there.

Article here Spiegel Online International (in english)

Majority of Eastern Germans Feel Life Better under Communism

Glorification of the German Democratic Republic is on the rise two decades after the Berlin Wall fell. Young people and the better off are among those rebuffing criticism of East Germany as an "illegitimate state." In a new poll, more than half of former eastern Germans defend the GDR.

The life of Birger, a native of the state of Mecklenburg-West Pomerania in northeastern Germany, could read as an all-German success story. The Berlin Wall came down when he was 10. After graduating from high school, he studied economics and business administration in Hamburg, lived in India and South Africa, and eventually got a job with a company in the western German city of Duisburg. Today Birger, 30, is planning a sailing trip in the Mediterranean. He isn't using his real name for this story, because he doesn't want it to be associated with the former East Germany, which he sees as "a label with negative connotations."

And yet Birger is sitting in a Hamburg cafe, defending the former communist country. "Most East German citizens had a nice life," he says. "I certainly don't think that it's better here." By "here," he means reunified Germany, which he subjects to questionable comparisons. "In the past there was the Stasi, and today (German Interior Minister Wolfgang) Schäuble -- or the GEZ (the fee collection center of Germany's public broadcasting institutions) -- are collecting information about us." In Birger's opinion, there is no fundamental difference between dictatorship and freedom. "The people who live on the poverty line today also lack the freedom to travel."

Birger is by no means an uneducated young man. He is aware of the spying and repression that went on in the former East Germany, and, as he says, it was "not a good thing that people couldn't leave the country and many were oppressed." He is no fan of what he characterizes as contemptible nostalgia for the former East Germany. "I haven't erected a shrine to Spreewald pickles in my house," he says, referring to a snack that was part of a the East German identity. Nevertheless, he is quick to argue with those who would criticize the place his parents called home: "You can't say that the GDR was an illegitimate state, and that everything is fine today."

As an apologist for the former East German dictatorship, the young Mecklenburg native shares a majority view of people from eastern Germany. Today, 20 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, 57 percent, or an absolute majority, of eastern Germans defend the former East Germany. "The GDR had more good sides than bad sides. There were some problems, but life was good there," say 49 percent of those polled. Eight percent of eastern Germans flatly oppose all criticism of their former home and agree with the statement: "The GDR had, for the most part, good sides. Life there was happier and better than in reunified Germany today."

These poll results, released last Friday in Berlin, reveal that glorification of the former East Germany has reached the center of society. Today, it is no longer merely the eternally nostalgic who mourn the loss of the GDR. "A new form of Ostalgie (nostalgia for the former GDR) has taken shape," says historian Stefan Wolle. "The yearning for the ideal world of the dictatorship goes well beyond former government officials." Even young people who had almost no experiences with the GDR are idealizing it today. "The value of their own history is at stake," says Wolle.

People are whitewashing the dictatorship, as if reproaching the state meant calling their own past into question. "Many eastern Germans perceive all criticism of the system as a personal attack," says political scientist Klaus Schroeder, 59, director of an institute at Berlin's Free University that studies the former communist state. He warns against efforts to downplay the SED dictatorship by young people whose knowledge about the GDR is derived mainly from family conversations, and not as much from what they have learned in school. "Not even half of young people in eastern Germany describe the GDR as a dictatorship, and a majority believe the Stasi was a normal intelligence service," Schroeder concluded in a 2008 study of school students. "These young people cannot, and in fact have no desire to, recognize the dark sides of the GDR."

"Driven Out of Paradise"

Schroeder has made enemies with statements like these. He received more than 4,000 letters, some of them furious, in reaction to reporting on his study. The 30-year-old Birger also sent an e-mail to Schroeder. The political scientist has now compiled a selection of typical letters to document the climate of opinion in which the GDR and unified Germany are discussed in eastern Germany. Some of the material gives a shocking insight into the thoughts of disappointed and angry citizens. "From today's perspective, I believe that we were driven out of paradise when the Wall came down," one person writes, and a 38-year-old man "thanks God" that he was able to experience living in the GDR, noting that it wasn't until after German reunification that he witnessed people who feared for their existence, beggars and homeless people.

Today's Germany is described as a "slave state" and a "dictatorship of capital," and some letter writers reject Germany for being, in their opinion, too capitalist or dictatorial, and certainly not democratic. Schroeder finds such statements alarming. "I am afraid that a majority of eastern Germans do not identify with the current sociopolitical system."

Many of the letter writers are either people who did not benefit from German reunification or those who prefer to live in the past. But they also include people like Thorsten Schön.

After 1989 Schön, a master craftsman from Stralsund, a city on the Baltic Sea, initially racked up one success after the next. Although he no longer owns the Porsche he bought after reunification, the lion skin rug he bought on a vacation trip to South Africa -- one of many overseas trips he has made in the past 20 years -- is still lying on his living room floor. "There's no doubt it: I've been fortunate," says the 51-year-old today. A major contract he scored during the period following reunification made it easier for Schön to start his own business. Today he has a clear view of the Strelasund sound from the window of his terraced house.

'People Lie and Cheat Everywhere Today'

 

Wall decorations from Bali decorate his living room, and a miniature version of the Statue of Liberty stands next to the DVD player. All the same, Schön sits on his sofa and rhapsodizes about the good old days in East Germany. "In the past, a campground was a place where people enjoyed their freedom together," he says. What he misses most today is "that feeling of companionship and solidarity." The economy of scarcity, complete with barter transactions, was "more like a hobby." Does he have a Stasi file? "I'm not interested in that," says Schön. "Besides, it would be too disappointing."

His verdict on the GDR is clear: "As far as I'm concerned, what we had in those days was less of a dictatorship than what we have today." He wants to see equal wages and equal pensions for residents of the former East Germany. And when Schön starts to complain about unified Germany, his voice contains an element of self-satisfaction. People lie and cheat everywhere today, he says, and today's injustices are simply perpetrated in a more cunning way than in the GDR, where starvation wages and slashed car tires were unheard of. Schön cannot offer any accounts of his own bad experiences in present-day Germany. "I'm better off today than I was before," he says, "but I am not more satisfied."

Schön's reasoning is less about cool logic than it is about settling scores. What makes him particularly dissatisfied is "the false picture of the East that the West is painting today." The GDR, he says, was "not an unjust state," but "my home, where my achievements were recognized." Schön doggedly repeats the story of how it took him years of hard work before starting his own business in 1989 -- before reunification, he is quick to add. "Those who worked hard were also able to do well for themselves in the GDR." This, he says, is one of the truths that are persistently denied on talk shows, when western Germans act "as if eastern Germans were all a little stupid and should still be falling to their knees today in gratitude for reunification." What exactly is there to celebrate, Schön asks himself?

"Rose-tinted memories are stronger than the statistics about people trying to escape and applications for exit visas, and even stronger than the files about killings at the Wall and unjust political sentences," says historian Wolle.

These are memories of people whose families were not persecuted and victimized in East Germany, of people like 30-year-old Birger, who says today: "If reunification hadn't happened, I would also have had a good life."

Life as a GDR Citizen

After completing his university degree, he says, he would undoubtedly have accepted a "management position in some business enterprise," perhaps not unlike his father, who was the chairman of a farmers' collective. "The GDR played no role in the life of a GDR citizen," Birger concludes. This view is shared by his friends, all of them college-educated children of the former East Germany who were born in 1978. "Reunification or not," the group of friends recently concluded, it really makes no difference to them. Without reunification, their travel destinations simply would have been Moscow and Prague, instead of London and Brussels. And the friend who is a government official in Mecklenburg today would probably have been a loyal party official in the GDR.

The young man expresses his views levelheadedly and with few words, although he looks slightly defiant at times, like when he says: "I know, what I'm telling you isn't all that interesting. The stories of victims are easier to tell."

Birger doesn't usually mention his origins. In Duisburg, where he works, hardly anyone knows that he is originally from East Germany. But on this afternoon, Birger is adamant about contradicting the "victors' writing of history." "In the public's perception, there are only victims and perpetrators. But the masses fall by the wayside."

This is someone who feels personally affected when Stasi terror and repression are mentioned. He is an academic who knows "that one cannot sanction the killings at the Berlin Wall." However, when it comes to the border guards' orders to shoot would-be escapees, he says: "If there is a big sign there, you shouldn't go there. It was completely negligent."

This brings up an old question once again: Did a real life exist in the midst of a sham? Downplaying the dictatorship is seen as the price people pay to preserve their self-respect. "People are defending their own lives," writes political scientist Schroeder, describing the tragedy of a divided country.

 


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on Jul 07, 2009

It's almost as if childhood memories inaccurately represent the pros and cons of a complex economic system and thus are a poor barometer with which to make comparisons!

But the dude outright admits he's better off today, but not as happy. Is this somehow verboten?

on Jul 07, 2009

It is insofar dangerous as people conveniently forget to mention just what sort of regime the DDR was. The critique doesn't really touch the economic system (the GDR was bankrupt btw) but the political one - where you could be thrown into jail for wanting to travel to the west or refusing to report/spy about your neighbors made you look suspicious. The StaSi controlled everything, they had a one party dicatorship, and it was a through and through unjust system.

All that doesn't mean that you couldn't have a great and happy childhood, but that is what people are mixing together.

on Jul 07, 2009

Yes, and that's certainly monstrous, but you can look at just about any nation and discover ways in which they are sickening little monsters. Even my home nation of Canada is sickening in its treatment of natives among many other things.

The article itself concedes that terrible things did happen, and I don't think anyone denies that. What I believe the fellow is going for is lamenting the loss of how it felt rather than how it was. To me its the same as an upper class American talking about how great their nation is, while ignoring the multitude of injustices within the nation itself. The ideal of communism is comradery and working together, and it's very reasonable to see why one would miss such an important element from their childhood. Equal wages and rights are not something to be ashamed of desiring.

It's the same as older Republicans who miss the days of Reagan.

on Jul 07, 2009

What I believe the fellow is going for is lamenting the loss of how it felt rather than how it was. To me its the same as an upper class American talking about how great their nation is, while ignoring the multitude of injustices within the nation itself.

I was trying to come up with a good argument.. but it is difficult to reason with people who use feelings as the basis for their argument (not referring to you but the guys in the article) and whose feelings might be distorted by glorifying memories of childhood bliss.

The circumstances in Germany were rather special after WW2, having two states who both claimed to be the legitimate successor of the 3rd Reich - and the cold war with the Warshaw pact and the Sowjet Union controlling the east and the western allies the rest.

The ideal of communism is unachievable, that is why its also called a Utopia.. because everybody was equal but some were just more equal than others, for example if you were a high party apparatschik.

It is certainly worth pondering why they memory of the GDR is viewed through pink glasses.

on Jul 07, 2009

You know, to each their own. While there are issues with the stability and survivability of communism, as shown by history - why shouldn't they view what they view? Is it suddenly evil to believe differently? What about what the people desire?

Seems silly that we force democracy, etc because we believe it is the right way - when sometimes, people just prefer other ways. Like Russia for example

on Jul 07, 2009

It is not automatically evil.

The people think back and only remember that they all had jobs and that there was no insecurity because the government literally controlled everything and provided everything. All the rest that goes alont with a socialist dictatorship is blended out and painted to look harmless. They trivialize the oppressive nature of the regime, which is their right of course, but which is also dangerous.. republicans would think this sort of regime their worst neightmare and already liken the Democrats with that.

Seems silly that we force democracy, etc because we believe it is the right way - when sometimes, people just prefer other ways.

You have to believe it is the right way, otherwise everything somebody does because it is their way becomes OK, Like Saddam killing his own people and gassing the Kurds, it was his way and it is right to be like that..

Ill never understand Russians - but they never had anything resembling a society where not one form or other of elite ruled. I know this old lady - mother of a friend of my parents - who is from baltic aristocratic descent. They belonged to the elite, her father was a diplomat for the czar. She never understood what was wrong with the whole system and she really really hates the communists. She wanted to throw me out of the house once because she thought I was "red" - lol.

Back then it was the aristocracy under the czar, then came the communists after 1917 and now it is the former aparatchiks, KGB and new rich that are the elite and rule everything. Regular people (and most are peasants) never had anything to say, not once in history.

on Jul 07, 2009

You have to believe it is the right way, otherwise everything somebody does because it is their way becomes OK, Like Saddam killing his own people and gassing the Kurds, it was his way and it is right to be like that..

Ill never understand Russians - but they never had anything resembling a society where not one form or other of elite ruled. I know this old lady - mother of a friend of my parents - who is from baltic aristocratic descent. They belonged to the elite, her father was a diplomat for the czar. She never understood what was wrong with the whole system and she really really hates the communists. She wanted to throw me out of the house once because she thought I was "red" - lol.

Back then it was the aristocracy under the czar, then came the communists after 1917 and now it is the former aparatchiks, KGB and new rich that are the elite and rule everything. Regular people (and most are peasants) never had anything to say, not once in history.

 

Another example is germany during the Nazi's. People actually agreed with what happened. To each their own I guess.

on Jul 07, 2009

Honestly what I found most disturbing was the op with "If it was up to me I'd repatriate the lot of them to WhiteRussia". Since when was voicing an opinion worth a deportation? All it does is prove the guys point - that things aren't better on this side.

on Jul 07, 2009

Yes, my young friend, they all agreed, and not only the Germans. The rest of western europe didn't really mind the idea of a strong Germany leading from the top too much and thought oh well, the war will be over quickly and germany will have won and then a new chapter would start. But the airwar over england took longer than expected, the whole war took way longer than expected and it went differently.

The important thing is to learn from your past experiences, and to embrace the system that is the best out of bad options - Democracy. It actually took quite a while for germans to become democrats. Before 1914 they had a constitutional monarchy, the Weimarer Republic had a democratic constitution with way too many loopholes that allwed the President to assume autocratic powers in case of an emergency, way too many political parties that disabled the parliament from being effective, and then Hitler came and turned it into a one party dictatorship. They had no positive experience with Democracy prior to 1949. It took a while until they trusted this new idea, but now it took hold and it is the best way for a country to be goverened. People love the idea of a good King, one who rules the lands just and impartial - but that is just an ideal that is never really achievable. To each their own - the people of federal republic of Germany chose to identfy with democracy after the benefits became evident, but it took decades. The people in the former communist countries have to learn to trust the system first and to learn the ropes.

Germany has its problems with racism and everything, but it is constantly trying to be better. You should come and visit sometimes, it is a great place.

on Jul 07, 2009

Honestly what I found most disturbing was the op with "If it was up to me I'd repatriate the lot of them to WhiteRussia"

I was ranting - people downplay the terrorizing aspects of the GDR. They glorify it (Ostalgie) - so let them live in a country that is all that they miss so dearly - then they'll remember quickly why everybody was happy in 1990.  Ask leauki - he grew in Berlin, he probably experienced it first hand. They wanted to leave, it was the people from the GDR that started a revolution of sorts because they wanted things to change. Saying the GDR was not such a bad place is akin to saying that Iraq under Saddam was not so bad after all.. why, it is their oppinion and they can have it, but its a very questionable oppinion.

I saw east berlin in 1991 - it was dreadful, everything was dirty and murky and downtrodden. The godmother of my sister had moved to Köpenick so I saw what her neighborhood looked like. She lived next to the river Dahme which was nice, but eastberlin was not so nice back then. Now, it is pretty much the same westernized standard everywhere.

on Jul 07, 2009

It may be a questionable opinion to have, but you were still essentially calling for deportation of all said opinion bearers. Yes, it was a rant, but there are people who would seriously give that opinion if asked. Getting upset like that does nothing to discredit them, and everything to unintentionally link oneself with genuinely hateful elements of society.

Times like these you distance yourself, and let them have their (wrong) opinion... or see what they're arguing about, see if any of their ideas have merit, and incorporate them if so.

on Jul 08, 2009

Repatriation - tried and true method of Stalin..who knows, they might even feel special (just kidding)

It was intended more as a thought experiment than actually proposing to kick people out. They can have their oppinion, it is the job of the political public to make their oppinion meaningless by supporting a different majority.

Politically speaking, there is a similar debate in Germany wether or not to ban the NPD, the nationalistic party of Germany (Neonazis). There is a split oppinion about it: 1) You ban them and they go underground, and it will be that much harder to controll and know what they are up to

2)It would be undemocrratic to ban a political party, the political process has to discredit them, not the hammer of the government

I live far away from the former GDR states so I rarely meet people who are thinking like that myself, but for me they discredit themselves by uttering things like that anyway. It is the ongoing german political issue right now, what do you do with public figures who had a Stasi or SED or otherwise questionable past in the GDR and did not say anything about it? Can they be trusted or not? If say a judge was discovered to have made secret verdicts that were not at all based on the law but on the will of the SED or the Sowjets, could that judge be trusted to be able to make impartial and just decisions? Fun times, I tell ya that.

on Jul 08, 2009

It's the same as older Republicans who miss the days of Reagan.

Not even close.

on Jul 08, 2009

Saying the GDR was not such a bad place is akin to saying that Iraq under Saddam was not so bad after all.. why, it is their oppinion and they can have it, but its a very questionable oppinion.

And there are some today in Iraq that yearn for the "Saddam" days. There probably will be more 20 years from now as memories of the cruelty melt away.

For the younger posters. it's easy to sit in the comfort of your home and "miss" something you never or barely lived through. Most children's lives are their happiest moments, because they had little to worry about. For the older crowd, if a government pay check equal to what everyone else gets sounds good to you, move to the US, that's the direction it's heading to. Try this experiment, travel to a place like Belarus, take only the amount of money that the average person there would earn and stay awhile. See if you don't have a new found respect for what you have.

Everything looks greener on the other side. Folk that want to live in periods past, well that's called fantasizing. Early settlers in the US had a simple life, little government breathing down their backs. That doesn't mean I want to wipe my @ss with a corn cob like they had to do. People forget the difficulties with the passage of time, it's human nature. The trick is to realize the phenomenon exists.

on Jul 08, 2009

Early settlers in the US had a simple life, little government breathing down their backs.
Well, Nitro, that was because they had a pretty simple society in the west, and as society became more complex more structures developed. Society on the eastcoast had more government breathing down its neck at the same time, right?

You cannot have a complex society without a sort of government. What exactly that government should or shouldn't do has been the debated for a long long time - it all comes down to the question what sort of society a nation and its people should be, and oppinions about that diverge greatly.

That is exactly what the debate between the Republicans and Democrats is about, and it will be going on even after Obama has left office (and the US won't ever be a socialized dictatorship where the government controlls everything and the rich have to pay for the lazy poor).

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