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Published on July 4, 2009 By utemia In Misc

I found this article today. It is totally incomprehensible for me how people can be so stupid, but it is a sad truth. If it was up to me I'd repatriate the lot of them to WhiteRussia, they can live their dream of a communist/socialist dictatorship of the soviet variety there.

Article here Spiegel Online International (in english)

Majority of Eastern Germans Feel Life Better under Communism

Glorification of the German Democratic Republic is on the rise two decades after the Berlin Wall fell. Young people and the better off are among those rebuffing criticism of East Germany as an "illegitimate state." In a new poll, more than half of former eastern Germans defend the GDR.

The life of Birger, a native of the state of Mecklenburg-West Pomerania in northeastern Germany, could read as an all-German success story. The Berlin Wall came down when he was 10. After graduating from high school, he studied economics and business administration in Hamburg, lived in India and South Africa, and eventually got a job with a company in the western German city of Duisburg. Today Birger, 30, is planning a sailing trip in the Mediterranean. He isn't using his real name for this story, because he doesn't want it to be associated with the former East Germany, which he sees as "a label with negative connotations."

And yet Birger is sitting in a Hamburg cafe, defending the former communist country. "Most East German citizens had a nice life," he says. "I certainly don't think that it's better here." By "here," he means reunified Germany, which he subjects to questionable comparisons. "In the past there was the Stasi, and today (German Interior Minister Wolfgang) Schäuble -- or the GEZ (the fee collection center of Germany's public broadcasting institutions) -- are collecting information about us." In Birger's opinion, there is no fundamental difference between dictatorship and freedom. "The people who live on the poverty line today also lack the freedom to travel."

Birger is by no means an uneducated young man. He is aware of the spying and repression that went on in the former East Germany, and, as he says, it was "not a good thing that people couldn't leave the country and many were oppressed." He is no fan of what he characterizes as contemptible nostalgia for the former East Germany. "I haven't erected a shrine to Spreewald pickles in my house," he says, referring to a snack that was part of a the East German identity. Nevertheless, he is quick to argue with those who would criticize the place his parents called home: "You can't say that the GDR was an illegitimate state, and that everything is fine today."

As an apologist for the former East German dictatorship, the young Mecklenburg native shares a majority view of people from eastern Germany. Today, 20 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, 57 percent, or an absolute majority, of eastern Germans defend the former East Germany. "The GDR had more good sides than bad sides. There were some problems, but life was good there," say 49 percent of those polled. Eight percent of eastern Germans flatly oppose all criticism of their former home and agree with the statement: "The GDR had, for the most part, good sides. Life there was happier and better than in reunified Germany today."

These poll results, released last Friday in Berlin, reveal that glorification of the former East Germany has reached the center of society. Today, it is no longer merely the eternally nostalgic who mourn the loss of the GDR. "A new form of Ostalgie (nostalgia for the former GDR) has taken shape," says historian Stefan Wolle. "The yearning for the ideal world of the dictatorship goes well beyond former government officials." Even young people who had almost no experiences with the GDR are idealizing it today. "The value of their own history is at stake," says Wolle.

People are whitewashing the dictatorship, as if reproaching the state meant calling their own past into question. "Many eastern Germans perceive all criticism of the system as a personal attack," says political scientist Klaus Schroeder, 59, director of an institute at Berlin's Free University that studies the former communist state. He warns against efforts to downplay the SED dictatorship by young people whose knowledge about the GDR is derived mainly from family conversations, and not as much from what they have learned in school. "Not even half of young people in eastern Germany describe the GDR as a dictatorship, and a majority believe the Stasi was a normal intelligence service," Schroeder concluded in a 2008 study of school students. "These young people cannot, and in fact have no desire to, recognize the dark sides of the GDR."

"Driven Out of Paradise"

Schroeder has made enemies with statements like these. He received more than 4,000 letters, some of them furious, in reaction to reporting on his study. The 30-year-old Birger also sent an e-mail to Schroeder. The political scientist has now compiled a selection of typical letters to document the climate of opinion in which the GDR and unified Germany are discussed in eastern Germany. Some of the material gives a shocking insight into the thoughts of disappointed and angry citizens. "From today's perspective, I believe that we were driven out of paradise when the Wall came down," one person writes, and a 38-year-old man "thanks God" that he was able to experience living in the GDR, noting that it wasn't until after German reunification that he witnessed people who feared for their existence, beggars and homeless people.

Today's Germany is described as a "slave state" and a "dictatorship of capital," and some letter writers reject Germany for being, in their opinion, too capitalist or dictatorial, and certainly not democratic. Schroeder finds such statements alarming. "I am afraid that a majority of eastern Germans do not identify with the current sociopolitical system."

Many of the letter writers are either people who did not benefit from German reunification or those who prefer to live in the past. But they also include people like Thorsten Schön.

After 1989 Schön, a master craftsman from Stralsund, a city on the Baltic Sea, initially racked up one success after the next. Although he no longer owns the Porsche he bought after reunification, the lion skin rug he bought on a vacation trip to South Africa -- one of many overseas trips he has made in the past 20 years -- is still lying on his living room floor. "There's no doubt it: I've been fortunate," says the 51-year-old today. A major contract he scored during the period following reunification made it easier for Schön to start his own business. Today he has a clear view of the Strelasund sound from the window of his terraced house.

'People Lie and Cheat Everywhere Today'

 

Wall decorations from Bali decorate his living room, and a miniature version of the Statue of Liberty stands next to the DVD player. All the same, Schön sits on his sofa and rhapsodizes about the good old days in East Germany. "In the past, a campground was a place where people enjoyed their freedom together," he says. What he misses most today is "that feeling of companionship and solidarity." The economy of scarcity, complete with barter transactions, was "more like a hobby." Does he have a Stasi file? "I'm not interested in that," says Schön. "Besides, it would be too disappointing."

His verdict on the GDR is clear: "As far as I'm concerned, what we had in those days was less of a dictatorship than what we have today." He wants to see equal wages and equal pensions for residents of the former East Germany. And when Schön starts to complain about unified Germany, his voice contains an element of self-satisfaction. People lie and cheat everywhere today, he says, and today's injustices are simply perpetrated in a more cunning way than in the GDR, where starvation wages and slashed car tires were unheard of. Schön cannot offer any accounts of his own bad experiences in present-day Germany. "I'm better off today than I was before," he says, "but I am not more satisfied."

Schön's reasoning is less about cool logic than it is about settling scores. What makes him particularly dissatisfied is "the false picture of the East that the West is painting today." The GDR, he says, was "not an unjust state," but "my home, where my achievements were recognized." Schön doggedly repeats the story of how it took him years of hard work before starting his own business in 1989 -- before reunification, he is quick to add. "Those who worked hard were also able to do well for themselves in the GDR." This, he says, is one of the truths that are persistently denied on talk shows, when western Germans act "as if eastern Germans were all a little stupid and should still be falling to their knees today in gratitude for reunification." What exactly is there to celebrate, Schön asks himself?

"Rose-tinted memories are stronger than the statistics about people trying to escape and applications for exit visas, and even stronger than the files about killings at the Wall and unjust political sentences," says historian Wolle.

These are memories of people whose families were not persecuted and victimized in East Germany, of people like 30-year-old Birger, who says today: "If reunification hadn't happened, I would also have had a good life."

Life as a GDR Citizen

After completing his university degree, he says, he would undoubtedly have accepted a "management position in some business enterprise," perhaps not unlike his father, who was the chairman of a farmers' collective. "The GDR played no role in the life of a GDR citizen," Birger concludes. This view is shared by his friends, all of them college-educated children of the former East Germany who were born in 1978. "Reunification or not," the group of friends recently concluded, it really makes no difference to them. Without reunification, their travel destinations simply would have been Moscow and Prague, instead of London and Brussels. And the friend who is a government official in Mecklenburg today would probably have been a loyal party official in the GDR.

The young man expresses his views levelheadedly and with few words, although he looks slightly defiant at times, like when he says: "I know, what I'm telling you isn't all that interesting. The stories of victims are easier to tell."

Birger doesn't usually mention his origins. In Duisburg, where he works, hardly anyone knows that he is originally from East Germany. But on this afternoon, Birger is adamant about contradicting the "victors' writing of history." "In the public's perception, there are only victims and perpetrators. But the masses fall by the wayside."

This is someone who feels personally affected when Stasi terror and repression are mentioned. He is an academic who knows "that one cannot sanction the killings at the Berlin Wall." However, when it comes to the border guards' orders to shoot would-be escapees, he says: "If there is a big sign there, you shouldn't go there. It was completely negligent."

This brings up an old question once again: Did a real life exist in the midst of a sham? Downplaying the dictatorship is seen as the price people pay to preserve their self-respect. "People are defending their own lives," writes political scientist Schroeder, describing the tragedy of a divided country.

 


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on Jul 08, 2009

Government should pave the roads, defend the nation, and keep me and mine safe in my home; other than that, it should stay out of the way.

One thing, I suppose, dictatorships have over free states is the inability of the people to think for themselves. That's not really how I want to communicate that thought, but it'll do.

East Germany had been under Communist control for what? Two generations? And before them, their parents and grandparents had lived in eras of both monarchy, not the freest of governments, and the Nazis. 'Nuff said.That's generations of people who didn't really have to think or do for themselves, and that was how they thought it was supposed to be.

When the the Wall came down, suddenly the government was no longer there to do their thinking and decision-making for them. That's like throwing a man who can't swim into the deep end of a pool; either you sink and drown or you learn to swim. Some succeeded and learned to swim, others drowned and complain, yearning for the old days when they had fewer roads in life to choose from, because those are the hard decisions.

Sometimes it's a lot easier to live "happily" when you have fewer options in your life, especially without actually realizing it.

on Jul 08, 2009

pave the roads, defend the nation, and keep me and mine safe in my home; other than that, it should stay out of the way.
cool, so the government has to collect taxes (to pave the road), either conscript recruits (to defend the nation) and collect taxes (to pay for the military); to collect taxes you need to chose who decides how much taxes should be collected. To make everything official, you need laws, and decide who should make those laws. You also have to define what "safe" means and what keeping your safe would take, like have a strong police force vs. mandatory selfdefense. It is really getting complicated fast, what the government should or shouldn't do. Just read some really old city councel protocolls from, say the 15th century or so. Who has which rights, who has to pay how much, who gets privileges like collecting money or not paying taxes, who is responsible for what (fire control, defense) - you'd think that it shouldn't really be that difficult for one lousy city to come up with simple rules, but it wasn't.

GDR existed for 41 years, from 1948-1989. But even before that, germany was never what youd'd call a modern democracy, I think i mentioned it above (constitutional monarchy to 1st attempt of democracy that failed to dictatorship to what we have now, a socialdemocratic republic). The people in the GDR needed to develop the ability to understand and appreciate freedom and capitalism. I once read an article about northkorean refugees that make it to South korea. It is a really perileous journey and they their lifes doing it, and they are hopelessly lost once they arrive in SK because that society is ruthlessly capitalistic and has a super strong workethic and competition. There are a lot of Korean music students in the conservatoriums in Germany and all they do all day and all night long is practise, they are like robots. They are really good.. you can imagine what happens if someone from Northkorea makes it into that sort of society, they don`t even know what is going on around them. If those two countries were to reunifiy - talk about culture shock.

on Jul 08, 2009

cool, so the government has to collect taxes (to pave the road), either conscript recruits (to defend the nation) and collect taxes (to pay for the military); to collect taxes you need to chose who decides how much taxes should be collected.

I like the Flat Tax; it seems to work well in Russia, one of the few things that does so, it seems. Voluntary military service works pretty well in America; quotas are hard to meet, yes, but that's a given. It gives impetus to things like enticements and bonuses.

To make everything official, you need laws, and decide who should make those laws. You also have to define what "safe" means and what keeping your safe would take, like have a strong police force vs. mandatory selfdefense.

I never said there should be no government; authority and law are a necessity in any viable society. Anarchy is no alternative to totalitarianism. "Safe" is a self-explanatory term; you need a police force, a fire dept. and a military. That's about it.

It is really getting complicated fast, what the government should or shouldn't do. Just read some really old city councel protocolls from, say the 15th century or so. Who has which rights, who has to pay how much, who gets privileges like collecting money or not paying taxes, who is responsible for what (fire control, defense) - you'd think that it shouldn't really be that difficult for one lousy city to come up with simple rules, but it wasn't.

We make it difficult; things are always more simple than we make them out to be. That's why bgovernment is always so damned hard to work with.

I wonder, given their comparison to "robots" how musically gifted some of the students are. Technical ability is but one aspect of talent. Giving the music depth, flavor, texture and soul is another thing altogether.

on Jul 08, 2009

I wonder, given their comparison to "robots" how musically gifted some of the students are. Technical ability is but one aspect of talent. Giving the music depth, flavor, texture and soul is another thing altogether.

erm. There are really gifted Korean musicians, but that is different from individual to individual as it is everywhere. I didn't want to imply that all they can do is be brilliant technicalwise. They just have a different attitude towards practicing and studying. The example was used as a foil for North Korea, but you do have a point. some are playing like robots, especially pianists.

I never said there should be no government
I didn't understand it like that either, I just tried to show that government light is not really achievable in a complex society.

IMO Russia is not exactly a good example, they have an elite that rules over the rest )always had), widespread alcoholism and unemployment, and if you do have a job it doesn't pay alot. And my personal peeve, they all still love father Stalin.

on Jan 05, 2010

I just tried to show that government light is not really achievable in a complex society.

I disagree.  It may not be imaginable to those who are use to the safety of big government, but it is achievable.  It does require a mindset change.  one that says you can suceed of fail, but if you want to win it all you have to risk a lot.

on Jan 07, 2010

How would you describe the necessary mindset that is needed?

one that says you can suceed of fail, but if you want to win it all you have to risk a lot.
sounds a lot like the old wild west and *ahem* very american.

I stand by the statement that a complex society with a corresponding form of government is not possible without a complex system of rules and regulations. I don't know of any high culture that didn't have such a system, either.

on Jan 07, 2010

sounds a lot like the old wild west and *ahem* very american.

You are very perseptive! 

That is the easy example to show and hold up as being a way of doing it.  But it is not only American, as you can find it in many "non-Nation State" nations (see Leauki for the definition of Nation State).

In the movie Stripes, the character played by Bill Murray was telling the other recruits of the nature of an American.  in it, he said that we are the wretched refuse of the world.  Kicked out of every decent nation on the planet.  He was not really that far off.

As I said, it takes a different mind set.  A mind set that says I will succeed!  Knowing that you can fail.  That is most recently epitomized by the American West, but it is also epitomized by the very settling of this nation (and others). 

Society is not that complex.  At the basic level, it is just people co-existing with other people.  But it is when a majority think that comfort is more important that liberty that government grows beyond the basic concept to become controlling.  It may be a natural progression of any government (and history seems to bear that out).  But the fact that it is not a constant state of government indicates it is also possible.

on Jan 07, 2010

But doesn't coexisting with other people require a certain level of organization? And there is no group that I know of that can live without it. Organization on a small level like a city is complicated. I wrote a paper on silver mining in Freiburg during the 12th -14th century and everything that has to do with a lot of money is always coupled with political power, so the relationships between the ruling aristocracy, money lenders, church parishes, city council etc pp was fairly complex. Who had the right to mine silver, to stamp coins, to use the lead (the silver was part of the leadore and had to be refined). Every artisan had his or her guild with their own rules as well - it was never just people co existing. If anything, life was almost more regulated and controlled back then than it is today. I wish it was possible to simply co exist, but my parents have some nasty neighbors that are living proof that it is a very hard thing to do, even when you're willing.

on Jan 08, 2010

But doesn't coexisting with other people require a certain level of organization?

Yes, but we only disagree on the level.  I agree that under the feudal system there was more control (under most of the Monarchial systems there are).  Mainly due to the outside threats, but also due to the lack of self determination.  Serfs forfeited their liberty for security - and that problem exists today.  Less government means a greater chance of failure for the individual (history is populated by the successes, not the failures).

Many (but not most) want the chance to succeed (or fail).  But too many are afraid of it.  Fear breeds increased government.  But today it is not so much the fear from outside, but the fear of failing.

on Jan 08, 2010

Serfs forfeited their liberty for security

 

It's unfortunate that this is still applicable in the modern US.  (Replace Serfs with citizens)

 

~AJ

on Jan 08, 2010

Complicated issue all in all (for me), because it all seems to come down to the question of how society should be like and how it should be governed. I don't see how a modern state could function without potentially alot of government. There are alot of issues that could be adressed on this issue - like in what departments and areas less government would make sense, because it is not a universally known truth for everything. I don't know enough about economic theory or state philosophy to have a detailed concept or proposal for how things would work better for everyone, even though I think it is a really interesting field and I wish  that I knew more. But I do know that there is no simple answer.

on Jan 08, 2010

Complicated issue all in all (for me), because it all seems to come down to the question of how society should be like and how it should be governed.

Exactly!  You come from the strong central government experience so you cannot grasp the minimal one.  America, until recently, was the exact opposite (and a conundrum to most Europeans).  We still are less centralized than most European governments, but as you read today the difference is growing smaller.

on Jan 09, 2010

I can only imagine a lot of chaos if a country with 300+ million citizens were governed with minimal government. I think you refer mostly to the economic aspect of overregulation by the government, but as you said, I grew up with the german model of a social market economy where the government sets the frame within the market can develop on its own. It is always a tightrope walk though because there is  too much brureaucracy invovled in some aspects. All in all, it would make sense to have certain aspects centralized, otherwise you have a huge chaos with different satelaws and regulations (as you do right now, apprently).

For me, I sort of swing from cursing the government for its stupid rules and being glad other rules are in effect. I don't believe either a completely minimal government or a very strong government are ideal, but prefer a mixture of both. For me, society can not only exist in everybody doing what they please without regard of the others. It would be ruthless, because I don't believe that market economy is only rooted in absolute selfishness. But if you allowed ruthless business types to have their whim it would most likely end in quasi feudal structures again. A social component of fairness (and apparently, fair play is a strong yankee trade, according to PT Barnum anyway lol) is essential and a however strong or weak government can guarantee, in fact should guarantee that. That is why I prefer a powerful government at times because you have to keep the wolfes at bay somehow. But I am not a communist, because that would make me a communist in some american's view.

The US is strange in some regards. Your consitutional rights for freedom of speech allow sometimes some really awful things. I just read a long article about child pornography in the internet. It is diffcult to fight the spread of this because of the decentralized way the internet works and the fact that many servers are stationed in different countries. Anyway, in 1996 the Child Protection Pornography Act was passed which had made the production, ownership and distribution of computer generated or drawn pictures illegal. But serverl pornography producers formed a "Free speech coaltion" and sued. In 2002, the supreme court ruled that such pictures were protected by the right of free speech, because  no child had been harmed in the production of the pictures or comic strips. If it were up to me, I'd just ignore the consitution on this special instance and make an exception that reinstates the protection act. I can't bring myself to accept the fact that computer generated pictures allow pedophiles (among the worst people I can imagine) to live out their urges without harming actual children. It is sitll wrong and should not be legal in any way or form. It would be nice to be king and just forbid it.

on Jan 09, 2010

My amature "theory" is that Europe grew out of a feudal system, where king or Kaiser basically provided all for his subjects (or hers if it was Queen).  As democracy took hold, in order to compete, it had to mimic the model.

America was born out of rebellion.  We kicked the king out of the country - almost all on our own.  In that was born a spirit of independance and can do attitude.  And that is the main difference.

on Jan 09, 2010

It certainly shaped european mentality, I agree.

I would say that the US was shaped by a frontier mentality. Settlers had to fight to make the wilderness arable and defy all sorts of dangers which gave them a tremendous self confidence and that can do attitude. The wish to push boundaries and make the impossible possible is a very american trait.

The ideal combination for that is a mixture between germans and american. You got the americans with the great ideas and visions and the germans with their zeal for accuracy and perfectionism to realize them.

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